Diane Abbott disagreed, stating that although “there’s
nothing wrong with pictures of naked women; art galleries are full of them”,
she objected to what she asserted to be the “increasing objectification of
women” and the “pornification of the media and advertising.” In making this
point, as well as referring to Clare Short [a parliamentary expenses fiddler] as
a “great woman” who had “championed” the anti-Page 3 cause in Parliament. Like
Nuttall, I would be rather more interested in knowing why Short had not
championed the anti-forced marriage, anti-FGM and anti-domestic violence causes
in so vigorous and high profile a fashion whilst an MP? As he stated:
“FGM has been illegal since the 1980s, you know, why hasn’t
there been a big hoo-ha throughout the 1990s about what was going on, and why
has it taken until 2015 to have the first court case and the first conviction?
I mean it’s an absolute disgrace. What is going on here?”
The next question to be addressed by the panel was “Who
benefits by delaying the publication of the Chilcot Report until after the
General Election?”
Nuttall: “Well I think it’s very convenient for the mainstream
political parties. Well, obviously not the Liberal Democrats because they voted
against, as did Diane, but the mainstream political parties as a whole, that
the Chilcot Report is released after May, because all it would do I suspect, if
it was released before, would increase the distrust that the people have in the
Establishment and the politicians, and I’m sure that the Labour Party in
particular would suffer badly as a result of its publication.” Nuttall then
made reference to a flying pig when Dimbleby said that Blair regretted the
delay to its publication. Abbott could not repress an involuntary smirk.
Nuttall continued:
“Look, the fact is, I suspect . . . well, I think they are
being economical with the truth, as a politician would say. I don’t think
they’re being honest [stony look from Esther McVey, Tim Farron looking
contemptuous and defensive with his arms folded. Diane Abbott sitting with
hands clasped, a satisfied smile on her face] I think the report will implicate
a number of leading Labour politicians [Abbott’s facial expression changes.
She’s not looking happy any longer], a number of Labour grandees. Indeed Ed
Miliband voted four times against such an inquiry taking place. You know,
that’s the Establishment protecting the Establishment. The Tories voted for
this war. I’m guessing that leading establishment figures will also be culpable
when the report is released. And let’s not forget, this is an Iraq War which
cost the lives of 600,000 Iraqi civilians; 179 of our brave British boys and
girls who went out in the armed forces never came home. Now, I just hope that
the Establishment, are as concerned about the protection of civilians and our
own armed forces as they are about protecting themselves.”
The next question illustrated the extent to which UKIP is
setting the agenda for political debate, for it focused upon Nigel Farage’s
comments that the NHS, as it is today, would be unaffordable in the future.
Many commentators, and UKIP’s opponents in particular, have used this as an
opportunity to attack UKIP, implying that it wishes to introduce a US model of
private health insurance. Nuttall took the opportunity to – for the time being –
lay this ghost to rest:
“Well look, I think that at some point in this century, with
an ageing population; a growing population, drugs becoming more expensive, we
may well have to have a conversation about how we fund healthcare in this
country. We’re not at that point now. I want to make it perfectly clear UKIP is
committed to ensuring that the NHS remains in public ownership, being funded
and free at the point of delivery, but there are problems within the NHS, we
know that.”
When questioned by Dimbleby as to how he could possibly know
what would be in the UKIP manifesto when Tim Aker, who had formerly been
responsible for its drafting, had been discharged from this duty recently,
Nuttall replied:
“In our manifesto will be a commitment to keep the NHS in
public hands, funded by the state, and free at the point of delivery.”
“We never sacked Tim Aker as the Head of Policy. Tim
resigned three weeks ago. He actually put it out in a tweet, because he’s
become a councillor in Thurrock, he’s an MEP, and he’s also in one of our top
five target seats. The job was too big. It’s now been given to Suzanne Evans, and
our manifesto is progressing quite nicely thank you.”
It will be interesting to see what the contents of this
manifesto are, and to what extent, if any, UKIP has moved away from its
Atlanticist Thatcherite economic position. Recent debates within the party
around TTIP are suggestive that this may be the case.
Nuttall’s final major intervention related to issues
connected to the SNP. He provided a robust, and fair, response:
“I am absolutely sick to death of Salmond, Sturgeon and the
SNP. And I tell you why. Firstly, they lost that referendum, and secondly, you
know with them it’s take, take, take, take, take. You never get anything back
[Abbott scowls]. And you know what they’re taking? They’re taking your tax. You
know, people in Scotland get an extra £1,600 more than people in England. You
know what that pays for, your taxation up there? It pays for no tuition fees,
whereas down here we pay tuition fees of £9,000 per year. They have free
hospital car parking. Down here, we pay. [Abbott looks as if she’s chewing a
wasp]. They have free prescriptions. Down here, we pay. When devolution
happened, they got themselves a parliament, the English got nothing.” “Nothing
is ever enough for them, is it?”
In response to Sturgeon’s recent comment that SNP MPs would
in future vote on issues that only affect England, he stated “It’s absolutely
appalling.” Quite correctly, Nuttell asserted that “English MPs should vote on
English only issues,” not anybody else. Who could disagree? Virtually every
member of the Labour Party, it would seem.