tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post2218727279194810763..comments2023-08-29T09:01:57.436+01:00Comments on Musings of a Durotrigan: UKIP’s local election BroadcastDurotriganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-85855117344429088582012-05-03T23:10:44.411+01:002012-05-03T23:10:44.411+01:00Barry, in the BFP's 20 Point Plan it is made q...Barry, in the BFP's 20 Point Plan it is made quite clear that they wish to further marketise the economy and privatise services. This, I can assure you (as I have spoken to Weston) is quite deliberate, as his economic outlook is essentially Thatcherite and at odds with the founding principles of the BFP. As for the number of BFP members, this is disputed, but as of the evening their website Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-82293382919458295252012-05-03T13:59:25.244+01:002012-05-03T13:59:25.244+01:00Also, according to wikipedia, Tommy Robinson of th...Also, according to wikipedia, Tommy Robinson of the EDL, has been appointed as the BFP's deputy leader. This a huge and I think fatal error on their part. The biased media will gladly associate the BFP with the EDL's street demonstrations. The fact is that no sensible party that wishes to see its candidates elected can engage in marches or violent street demos (yes, the far-left Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-69165455592213062902012-05-03T13:38:17.131+01:002012-05-03T13:38:17.131+01:00I tend to agree. However, we must always remember ...I tend to agree. However, we must always remember that the media takes a collective anti-nationalist line and any party that has even a semblance of real nationalism to it will attract their disdain and disgust. As for the BFP, I think that if they overly fixate on an anti-Islamification stance then they are unlikely to benefit much electorally since the public will view them as obsessives. It isAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-24611095852649004952012-05-02T19:28:50.040+01:002012-05-02T19:28:50.040+01:00The fellow you mention has some peculiar religious...The fellow you mention has some peculiar religious views, and the use of the verb "ranting" in connection with him is certainly fitting, for such religious fervour belongs to the century of the Ranters - the Seventeenth Century - rather than to the current one.Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-3278084418728632452012-05-02T19:21:57.777+01:002012-05-02T19:21:57.777+01:00It is true that establishing recognition for a new...It is true that establishing recognition for a new party could take a long time, but it would be better to gain public recognition for positive rather than negative reasons. I get the feeling that the little additional publicity that will be afforded to the BFP this weekend will not bring it much public credibility either. It will certainly give a brief boost to their press profile, but any idea Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-65579995282445674982012-05-02T17:33:38.081+01:002012-05-02T17:33:38.081+01:00I believe he did once advocate it but has kept qui...I believe he did once advocate it but has kept quiet about it. He is obviously a better politician than many within UKIP who are unaware (unlike Osbourne)of how such an idea would go down with anyone outside of the most well-healed Tory circles.<br /><br />Anonymous (Barry)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-73667825166785511532012-05-02T17:30:32.708+01:002012-05-02T17:30:32.708+01:00Reluctantly, I agree with your assesment. Griffin ...Reluctantly, I agree with your assesment. Griffin had a car crash on Question Time and fell into the Establishment's trap. The party has never recovered since that programme. The problem with starting a new party is that it takes such a longtime to get it known to an electorate that is mostly intensely disinterested in politics.<br /><br />Anonymous (Barry)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-22409102785495240942012-05-02T17:26:57.790+01:002012-05-02T17:26:57.790+01:00I wholeheartedly agree that it should be a private...I wholeheartedly agree that it should be a private matter and a non-issue. I really can't understand how Dowson and others think a pre-occupation with the subject of sexuality could in anyway aid a nationalist party to appeal to the electorate. Their continued insistence of ranting about this subject only serves to make nationalists look like total weirdos and it gives us a strong impression Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-23435965323274254442012-04-29T20:32:18.553+01:002012-04-29T20:32:18.553+01:00SC and Barry, I agree with you both that certain &...SC and Barry, I agree with you both that certain "nationalists" do have a peculiar obsession with people's private lives. So far as I'm concerned, it's a non-issue. Unlike Dowson et al, I don't spend my time thinking about homosexuality, as it doesn't interest me. It ought to be a personal matter, just like religious belief or lack thereof.Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-4853063386650532052012-04-29T20:27:55.140+01:002012-04-29T20:27:55.140+01:00The BNP has had it. It is finished, hence in part ...The BNP has had it. It is finished, hence in part the 'Beyond the Fringe' series.Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-85026019584608958042012-04-29T20:26:46.183+01:002012-04-29T20:26:46.183+01:00Yes Barry, I'm aware that UKIP are advocates o...Yes Barry, I'm aware that UKIP are advocates of the flat tax concept. I seem to recall that Osborne did once also publicly entertain (and probably still privately harbours) that idea too. The BNP and UKIP are both fatally flawed.Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-69642149554250395612012-04-29T20:24:47.098+01:002012-04-29T20:24:47.098+01:00Thanks for the link Julien. I'll take a look a...Thanks for the link Julien. I'll take a look at it when I have time later in the week, so apologies for not passing comment on it in a rather more timely fashion.Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-46705576847298752692012-04-29T20:23:48.716+01:002012-04-29T20:23:48.716+01:00This is something that I have heard mention of bef...This is something that I have heard mention of before. It would seem that there are significant issues with respect to UKIP's leadership that serve to hinder both its organisational and electoral growth.Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-38677257038631807822012-04-29T20:21:53.066+01:002012-04-29T20:21:53.066+01:00It is certainly my intention that a new party shou...It is certainly my intention that a new party should be differentiated from UKIP, and indeed the BNP, in a positive fashion. As discussed in previous pieces, the identity question is one that should be woven into policies, rather than being something that is made into a standalone issue, which although being considered the primary concern for many nationalists, is not for the electorate at large.Durotriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12427474698912082351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-11680143685121377022012-04-27T14:08:49.966+01:002012-04-27T14:08:49.966+01:00Yes, we must make it clear to the electorate that ...Yes, we must make it clear to the electorate that 'racism' is basically a Marxist concept that has been used for decades now to suppress people's innate natural desire to live around and to associate with others like themselves. <br /><br /><br />Anonymous (Barry)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-50714371909566970132012-04-27T14:03:46.005+01:002012-04-27T14:03:46.005+01:00If you look on the British Resistance site, you wi...If you look on the British Resistance site, you will see religious cranks like Jim Dowson in full rant mode about 'sodomites' as if many straights don't engage in it either! Now doubt this is because of his NI background but he and others like him should be firmly told that in the rest of the United Kingdom we 'don't do God' and that an Englishman's house is his castleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-50476254920893509922012-04-27T13:53:08.265+01:002012-04-27T13:53:08.265+01:00I don't agree with gay 'marriage' (and...I don't agree with gay 'marriage' (and I think that most gays don't really want it) but I am ok with civil partnerships. I think the public obscenity laws should be enforced regardless of the offender's sexuality. You're right in asserting that somebody's sexual orientation has no bearing on their opinions regarding nationalism. For example, look at Tony Bliar. He was Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-60957412486932161712012-04-27T00:56:08.936+01:002012-04-27T00:56:08.936+01:00Yes, Barry, I am mainly in agreement with you on t...Yes, Barry, I am mainly in agreement with you on the BNP's failure to differentiate itself and make a case to the electorate to expose UKIP for the rank Thatcherites they are. It's a no brainer that the electorate will switch to the 'respectable' anti-immigration party and this is largely what has happened. I also squirm that some nationalists are seemingly obsessed by particular Salford Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192616304440997405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-58920095359405608142012-04-26T15:19:01.705+01:002012-04-26T15:19:01.705+01:00The BNP brand will only be salvagable if the party...The BNP brand will only be salvagable if the party turns over a new leaf and makes a fresh start. That can only be done by getting rid of Nick Griffin and his henchmen. Also a few changes in policy could be enacted such as a more liberal stance on gays. Too many nationalists (see the British resistance site for example) are seemingly pre-occupied with the sexual orientation of others. This makes Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-5111244001312559372012-04-26T15:13:32.381+01:002012-04-26T15:13:32.381+01:00Any new party does indeed need to differentiate it...Any new party does indeed need to differentiate itself from UKIP and expose their globalist, Thatcherite loony economic policies. Indeed, did you know that they want a flat tax of 31% so the ultra-rich would pay very little tax? Even public schoolboy George Osbourne and company would never seriously advocate that! The BNP failed to expose the crucial economic flaws (and their pro-US globalist Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-49782557523479293902012-04-26T12:50:10.812+01:002012-04-26T12:50:10.812+01:00I thought this was very fair and accurate commenta...I thought this was very fair and accurate commentary on my party's PEB. I think it was a lot better than what we have produced before but there is a long way to go. <br /><br />However, the London PEB for the Mayoral and GLA race was terrible, be great if you could blog what you thought on this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbzDKtsy97oJulienhttp://www.twitter.com/julienconwaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-2173591655002404762012-04-26T12:00:11.930+01:002012-04-26T12:00:11.930+01:00The trouble with UKIP is not only Farage's ten...The trouble with UKIP is not only Farage's tendency to play the clown when it suits him, but also that he has surrounded himself with a cabal of sycophants who act as a kind of log-jam, preventing any people of independent thought from getting on in the party, & even throwing them out. It seems all rather similar to what has happened to the BNP under the non-leadership of Griffin.Monoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657878812884081988.post-49525130941764014832012-04-25T23:23:08.413+01:002012-04-25T23:23:08.413+01:00Differentiation from UKIP ( in a positive way!) is...Differentiation from UKIP ( in a positive way!) is absolutely crucial but the public need to be made aware of and to understand this. UKIP gains most of its support from the strong anti-immigration- anti-EU feeling within the general public, sadly few are aware of UKIP's global capitalist- pro U.S grounding - and few average voters would probably care. However, we as nationalists ARE aware Salford Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192616304440997405noreply@blogger.com